“Here is the ABC of my movement in a book”
Between the lines also the project of a difficult dialogue with the PC of Rizzo.
by Claudio Bernieri
What is sovereignty? We ask him.
“I make a simple consideration: today the sovereign position would be the only constitutionally admitted, because article 1 of our Constitution states that sovereignty belongs to the people”
The pretext of this long video interview is the release of a book, Simone Di Stefano, gives prints for the typographical types of Altaforte edizioni, a summa of the thought of his movement, that of the “turtle.”
“A nation”: a long interview with Valerio Benedetti, editor in chief of the National Primacy. Book born in this long quarantine, and that comes out on the eve of the return of politics in the squares. A book that answers the question: what is Casapound and what does it want?
It was born as a movement with the occupation of a house in via Napoleone, in Rome, in the 90s explains Di Stefano: now the building has almost become a hostel for families and globetrotter intellectuals. The turtle is a breeding ground for ideas, a Leopold of the sovereign galaxy (Prima gli italiani is a lucky slogan made in Casapound). A 1930s-style building that also houses the offices of the movement.
“Our task is to provide ideas to a sovereignist who is strong in consensus, but poor in cultural terms. Otherwise, the next government will not change anything, just like with Berlusconi “, Simone di Stefano, a former advertising graphic designer and copywriter, now says to Affari,” ideas, cornerstones, doctrine, programs, wide-ranging and long-term visions are missing ” .
Getting untangled in the humus that feeds the slogans in the squares of the center right is not always easy: who then are the “casapoundists”?
New liberals or sovereigns?
“There is the right-wing sovereignist against the right-wing globalist, there is the before and after coronavirus, and then there is the refrain;” the markets ask us “, he detailed in his book Di Stefano. To the reader the taste and effort to read the complicated Casapound family tree.
In short, is sovereignty right or left?
“In globalism there are both the right and the left and, conversely, in antiglobalism there are also the right and the left.
So, in fact, all these categories (the no global, the Seattle people, the radical left etc.) in twenty years have completely abandoned the criticism of capitalism – at least a serious criticism, which goes beyond the rejection of McDonald’s sandwich and of the Coca Cola can – and today they are all at the forefront of building a forced globalization, made of uncontrolled immigration and cancellation of peoples’ identities. ”
Fulcrum of the “Casapound Thought” is criticism. also married by the Lilliputian communist party of Marco Rizzo, to the fake solidarity of open bridges and wild immigration.
In short, would solidarity be just a screen?
“Exact. In addition to this process of identity disintegration, mass immigration also offers low-cost labor that is functional to economic globalization. How? If I didn’t have underpaid immigrant workers, I couldn’t produce with the costs we have here. ”
A criticism of the refrain: “without immigrants who picks them tomatoes”.
“Here, if I buy tomatoes, I find them at one euro and fifty per kilo because I have low-cost workers who collect them. If they weren’t there, the tomatoes would cost four or five euros per kilo, and many Italians would not be able to afford them and, consequently, would ask for an increase in wages, ”
And like a young Marx, Di Sfefano disserts in his book of wages, labor costs, money, capital.
“Immigration means lowering the cost of labor for Italian workers.” Warning, Di Stefano warns, we are in the post-coronavirus era.
“Once tourism and exports are over, those who candidly affirm that” Italy could only live on tourism “are saying castronry.
We have to spend, the state has to spend. Printing money. We with debt and deficit create our private wealth, while other nations have a low public debt, yes, but a high private debt, that is, their citizens get into debt with banks and private financial institutions. Italy remains a nation, and not an amusement park for anyone.
Going on vacation in Italy, putting factories back on their feet, buying mainly Italian products, preferring companies in our area means regenerating our identity, even culturally. Either you make this choice, or there will be the final blow.
When you imagine an Italy outside the EU and the euro, you have to imagine it compared to a prosperous and strong nation like Japan. This is our place in the world. ”
The essence of Casapound’s nonconforming thinking is all here: “printing money”
“We exit the euro by starting to freely circulate one of our currencies. This would automatically take us out of the EU, it would mean having torn and disowned the signed treaties
And I remain convinced that we should try to get most of the public debt to the Italians themselves, looking primarily for national buyers. This would mean repaying the interests of that debt mainly to our compatriots, to our people. ”
Finally, the theme of alliances: Casapound would prefer a frank dialogue with the mini-PC of Rizzo to the shy Berlusconi (who decides and finally goes with Renzi, says Di Stefano). And Di Stefano quotes the Best: “Togliatti wrote a famous Letter to the brothers in black shirts, offering their collaboration in building the Italian welfare state.”
Today it seems that the recovery of the social status in the post-coronavirus era passes through a collaboration with the hard and pure base of the former PCs, purified from certain demagoguery.
Some observers might call it a dream. “But dreams are an intimate attitude, not a political one,” says Simone Di Stefano. The dream will come about a possible, extremely difficult dialogue between the sovereign area and that world, the remnant of the Communist Manifesto, which looks with growing suspicion on globalism .. A dialogue that someone calls “red-brown”.
“I seem to have reiterated several times that Rizzo is interesting, that he is the only true communist left, but his nostalgic and Stalinist attitude unfortunately severes any possibility of dialogue.”
Politically born in Garbatella, maximo leader of Casapound (today temple of radical chic who bought entire buildings built in the years of fascism for the people, he says) he spent years in the local section of the MSI together with Giorgia Meloni, attacking posters at night. The debut at 14
And how are the parties now?
“They have turned the party leaders into football teams, so they cheer uncritically regardless of how they play, the winners are the players, the dancers, the creatives, the managers, the commentators, the influencers. Almost as if a farmer, a breeder, a craftsman, a worker or a plumber should be ashamed of their qualification. ”
Definitely in the field of Italiexit, Di Stefano today proposes in his book a sovereign nation that prints money on its own, strong and independent and far from the EU (on the model of the USA, Japan, United Kingdom, Russia and China).
Readings that formed Di Stefano? “The abc of Ezra Pound’s economics, and dystopian novels, such as those of Orwell and Bradbury. The dystopian genre fascinates me a lot because it describes a future that is always possible and against which it is necessary to fight. Also because, in some cases, that future seems in reality ”
Will we see the Casapound ideas workshop in the square in Rome on June 3, at the start of the protest season, alongside Salvini and Meloni? Half influencer, half spin off, the “turtle £” promises controversy and battles.